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  • The fight for women’s suffrage, for instance, started in 1847, while the 19th Amendment wasn’t passed until 1920, a good 70 years later. The Stonewall riots were in 1969, and it took nearly fifty years for marriage equality to arrive. This stuff is hard. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth fighting for.

    Worth noting that those rights were not won by merely voting, let alone merely voting for milquetoast candidates…

    They were won by rather more extreme measures, precisely because merely voting didn’t accomplish the goals.


  • I am sure shilling your political party is a priority to you

    Where the hell have I done that? Go read my comments. And pull your head out. I’m quite obviously no fan of neolibs.

    but most of us just looking to shake things up.

    Then actually DO SOMETHING! Because what you are proposing is doing LITERALLY NOTHING. Not voting does nothing. Even third party is mathematically doing nothing. You might not like that, but it’s true.

    If you want actual change, vote for progressives in local elections. Vote out the neoliberals one by one. And in the mean time, build alternative power, organise in your workplace, unionise, build mutual support networks.


  • But a third party will likely never be viable in within the lifetimes of people alive today, unless the Democrats suddenly decide to overturn FPTP voting.

    So understand what you are asking of people. People are more than “frustrated with the lack of progress”, they are enraged because they recognise that the current system will NEVER deliver them real justice and dignity. That they will be faced with this exact same situation every single election. And you are asking them to be content living with their rights and well-being on a knife-edge, likely for the rest of their lives. Because while the Democrats won’t give them justice, the alternative is fascism.

    So you are correct, the Republicans are objectively worse, and people should vote for the most progressive viable candidates possible. But the neoliberal tendency to demand that leftists stop complaining while they give up everything in the name of “compromise”, and then tendency to blame leftists for neoliberal losses anyway, is galling.




  • The US uses a First-Past-The-Post voting system. Third parties are non-viable in such a system. Mathematically.

    That is why you have this inane conversation every four years. Because any progressive third-party candidate becomes a “spoiler” for the Democrats, rather than forcing coalitions and compromises, as it should in an actual functional democracy. So every four years we get to hear how leftists should “compromise” by completely giving up their entire position to support a neoliberal candidate because to do otherwise allows the Republicans to continue to hurt women and minorities.

    Nothing will fundamentally change until the voting system changes. So of course neither political party is especially motivated to change it.